On the blog Mitchell's Gadfly, Phil Gluyas states that he and Andrew Ackner "pulled me into line." That is not true. I wasn't "pulled into line" by anyone. I have made mistakes in the past (as has everybody), and I try my best to learn from them. What I am working on right now for the most part is self-esteem issues, which admittedly Andrew and Phil have some good points about. As far as I know, low self-esteem is not correlated to autism in any way, which makes it a co-morbid condition. I was diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome as the age of 6, but most of the symptoms have subsided and many (including me), question whether autism is my problem at all anymore and whether I'm just a virgin because of low self-esteem.
As for Jonathan Mitchell's recent post (about celibacy in autistic people), it couldn't be more true. There are autistic people who have had sex, but they are few and far between. If I could have sex as an autistic person, I would, but that doesn't seem possible right now, and that is why I desire a cure.
As for this Christian Weston Chandler person (whom I also had never heard of before yesterday), he clearly will not lose his virginity with his current attitude or actions, and probably never will because he has already given himself such a bad reputation. Also, he seems more than just autistic, as autism alone would not explain his stalking behaviors. There are a lot of autistic virgins desperate for sex, such as me, Jonathan Mitchell, and Christian Weston Chandler, Jonathan and I both know that committing crimes will get you absolutely nowhere, and the best thing is just to not act autistic. I'm pretty good at acting normal, but I have such low self-esteem that I find it near impossible to ask a girl to have sex. God bless you all, and may the Lord bring you peace and happiness.
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"On the blog Mitchell's Gadfly, Phil Gluyas states that he and Andrew Ackner "pulled me into line." That is not true. I wasn't "pulled into line" by anyone. I have made mistakes in the past (as has everybody), and I try my best to learn from them."
I agree with you on this and recommend that Phil re-word that portion of the article. Phil and I had been a part of the process that caused you to pull yourself in line. It is my opinion that we all can learn something positive from everybody. Even people whom we may despise or combat with, there is something that can be learned. Through all of this you have learned well about being more courteous, and other aspects. There is much more for you to learn about these things, but it takes time and effort, and will only be accomplished by the time and effort you choose to give it.
(2 of 3) "As for Jonathan Mitchell's recent post (about celibacy in autistic people), it couldn't be more true. There are autistic people who have had sex, but they are few and far between. If I could have sex as an autistic person, I would, but that doesn't seem possible right now, and that is why I desire a cure."
That actually couldn't be more false. I don't know what the statistics are regarding percentages of people on the Spectrum having been laid. Granted, it is probably low. However, there are two major parts that make Mitchell's statements worth completely disregarding. One is whatever the percentage of Autistics whom have been laid is, I bet that percentage goes way up if you only take into account Auties under age 30. Because people know more about ASD, services are more successful and men on the Spectrum are more likely to learn the tools of attracting women
You aren't getting laid, not because you're Autism makes you lack the tools to attract women, but because you have different tools than neurotypical men but you don't know how to use them.
This is why the theme of learning is so important. Take a lesson from me, I have been laid three times, all since this past Fall. I had a girlfriend who didn't put out for fear of responsibility reasons, and am about to be official with somebody who won't put out for Religious Reasons (we actually are a great match despite Religious differences.) The main source of my three One-Nighters, my previous relationship and my soon-to-be-current relationship is knowing how to use my Aspiedom to my advantage.
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These are the things we tend to bring to the plate.
Honesty (obvious trait needing no explanation)
Loyalty, Aspies are in my opinion the least likely to cheat or betray someone (make this obvious to girls you're into.)
We don't do anything Maliciously, we generally never really see the point to be mean or cruel without reason, girls notice it.
Eccentricity, don't hide it, it is your best friend, use it properly and it is practically as sure to work as spiking her drink. Don't dick-wave your quirkiness, but make sure they see the best ones. Normal is boring, girls will probably get hit on by hundreds of guys within a month or so, make sure that you'll be memorable, if they would think of you a month later than you could probably do well that night. It's better that you be memorable, over being a really good memory. You don't want them to think "what a prick" but quantity over quality, you want them to remember you more distinctly and only have a slight impression of whether you're a good guy or not. It doesn't hurt that they think you're a good guy, it's just the distinctiveness of memory is the most important.
The second girl I had sex with worked at a Subway near campus. My friend Joe got a sub and I bummed the girl for a cup of water and took a piss in the customer's only restroom. I noticed the cups at the store were from TCBY. So I smoothly asked her, "why are your cups from TCBY?" She explained how TCBY used to be there and left the cups. And I utilizing the tone of all the hard-boiled detective movies I've seen, told her "Hey, how bout you gimme a free Meatball Marinara, and TCBY won't know you been stealing their cups."
I didn't get the free Meatball, but I went back couple weeks later, she remembered me, I found out she goes to OU, and we saw each other a couple times, week after that she got my meatballs.
You seem to know a lot about music, (I don't know shit about it so I could be wrong on my assessment of your knowledge of music) use that to your advantage, women are intrigued by someone having a unique hobby and being really knowledgeable about it. Not obsessed about it, but knowledgable. Women are astounded by my ability to memorize movies, and even more impressed when I tell them how I haven't seen most of them more than ten times. Go to a CD store and find someone to talk about music with.Literature is another strong-point of mine. You don't have the same skills neurotypicals have, but you have other ones, use those and hone in on those. All you'd really need is an intro-course on the neurotypical skills.
My friend Mike Fennig always said "All you need with girls these days is a way with words, a decently-sized personality and unlimited texting."
You're an Autie, so start acting like one, because that will get you laid.
Oh and Phil, you think Trenchy could learn a thing or two from my Noir-mannerism impressions?
Actually that is completely wrong, it's very easy for Mitchell to get laid at his age if he'd just get his priorities straight. Women have a really high sex-drive and don't lose it like men do. If you've seen how awesome a female's orgasm you'd totaly understand why.
And either way, I know it's kind of a selfish mentality to have, but to hell with Mitchell, it's not like it's your goal to get every person on the Spectrum laid, you want to get laid so stop acting like this is the top priority for everybody on the Spectrum.
"Also, when you tell me to act autistic, I assume you don't mean to be non-verbal, feces smearing, and ticcing and stimming all the time. You probably mean Aspergian, or at least high-functioning autistic. Anyway, thank you for your comments."
Really?? Was it really necessary to make that Bestian assertion? Do you really think somebody with LFA's ultimate goal is to get laid. And in my honest opinion people with LFA and HFA aren't preoccupied with getting laid like Aspies, because they are both more prude. Getting laid is an Aspie desire, because we it our main goal that we strive to be neurotypical and fit in with neurotypical crowds. That's one of the major distinctions between HFA and Asperger's, HFAs identify more to their Autistic traits, Aspies, we try to live a more neurotypical life. So in the end LFAs and HFAs don't really matter in terms of learning how to get laid because that's not on their minds. Temple Grandin is somewhere between LFA, and HFA and managed to develop and learn skills so that she could be as successful as she is. But she really doesn't seem to me to have a sex-drive, it just isn't something she cares about. So yes, you don't need to smear feces, act like an Aspie. I've already got a receding hairline, man, quit splitting hairs.
Oliver,
Flirting, dating and relationships are all skills that have to be painfully learn by trial and error.
This is the same for NT as Autistics. They just learn quicker and better.
There are a number of characteristics of Autistic men that some women find particularly attractive.
Look at p304 onwards of Tony Attwood's complete guide to Asperger's Syndrome as a starting point.
You need to see and learn the techniques from other more experienced people.
Nothing will be achieved and no progress made by sitting around being a Sadsack or the human Eeyore that is Autism's Gadfly.
You speak of low self-esteem - that is the first issue to deal with.
If someone with Autism that is disabled as me can get laid repeatedly - believe me there is hope for you.
Getting lucky doesn't involve luck whether or not you're Neurotypical.
It's relevant because being able to get laid and Aspergers are two independent entities. I agree with Norton on his assessment on Human Eeyore.
And stop acting like Autism is something that allows some of us to get laid and then prevents everyone else. It is untrue. The people who treat Autism as a malignancy, or deny services are the one's allowing you to still have challenges to get laid. Autism Speaks are doing it.
Don't help them stop you from learning how to get laid, and it's been three months, the self-esteem is no longer a valid reason for failure. Do something to build your self-esteem, start lifting weights, write some songs. Come up with multiple goals you can achieve in the next two weeks and accomplish. Then you will have more self-esteem and then you may be able to get laid.
Getting lucky has nothing to do with luck, nt or Aspie. I didn't get laid by being an Aspie with the right Lottery ticket number. I worked my ass off at the skills I needed to develop. That is what you need to do.
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QuoteDa, I'd love to claim credit for the Eeyore quip, but alas I stole it from another.
Oliver, Being a virgin at 18 is not at all unusual for an NT 18 year-old, let alone an Autistic one.
I had the advantage of having elder brothers to hang-out with and learn the ropes.
I also had an old fashioned father, who at a very early age taught me all about giving girls flowers and so on...
As QuoteDa... said - it's all about developing the skills...
Norton: Thanks for taking the time to read my blog. I believe that by telling it like it is about autism and refuting the propaganda of ND's such as yourself is a productive activity and i am proud of my blog and what I wrote and the expose's i have made of the NDs and others.
However, in your case, being a neurodiversity fuckwit who just goes around insulting people because they have a message about autism that they don't like is not a terribly productive activity in my opinion.
Oliver, actually a menopausal woman would be fine. Though they might not be as appealing as someone younger, there is the advantage that I would not have to worry about them becoming pregnant. Though you are correct at my age and with a disabiilty and not being wealthy it is not likely I will attract a woman younger than 35. But that is okay, they can be about my age and there are some women my age i find attractive. Of course I suppose I would not care for a 50 year old woman if i were 18, but they look okay to me now.
I don't know anything about Norton either. Just sounds like another neurodimwit to me.
And also, Oliver something I'd highly and sincerely recommend as well is weed. The canabis plant could be very helpful to you. I am a hateful person whom is often prone to anger, I try not be foolish about but anger is definitely something that am prone. One hateful person to another, since I started smoking weed, certain things I've hated stopped bothering me and I've been more chill about other things. It has made me an even better person and has made me much more likable to others.
Definitely something to look into, in my opinion.
Oliver, Johnathan, save up some money, screw up your courage, and go find a prostitute. It may not be a "beautiful experience", but neither is the real thing, if you actually LOOK at what you're putting it into. (So don't look there.)
Once you've done that, it won't be so hard to talk with regular women in a bar, on a park bench, or in a church.
Always ask "are you a cop?" before offering any money or discussing what you might want. (And use protection.)
Oliver, I don't want to start getting smutty, but this is the best link I can find.
Follow the link through to the site from which this material originates. Look at some of the details of the women who are offering, ahem..., 'services'.
The offer some very unlike-prostitution services, ie., "Girlfriend Experience" - that is the role play the part of a real girl-friend, not a street-hooker.
More than one person has said her that it's a matter of practice - and it is.
Also, the weed thing. Please don't dismiss this too quickly. Find some stoned hippies to hang with - seriously, they of all people are likely to take you as you are.
And a little Jack Daniels never goes amiss, either. You're a teenager, for God's sake, act like one! :))
On the blog Mitchell's Gadfly, Phil Gluyas states that he and Andrew Ackner "pulled me into line." That is not true. I wasn't "pulled into line" by anyone.
Actually you were. Andrew's right as well - it was all part of the process. Andrew and I may disagree on the interpretation of the phrase "pulled into line" but that's all. We got you to re-think a lot of your previous thoughts, and I see that as being pulled into line. I interpret it wider than Andrew does and I don't see anything wrong with that. It has worked either way. You weren't seeing the mistakes you made and what we did (I suspect combined with the fright I gave you with the Writ) was make it obvious to you so you couldn't ignore it.
Now your discussing things rather than arguing - and you're also seeing that both Andrew and I can be reasonable people and respond in kind.
Note - Oliver, you can always go to Nevada where prostitution is legal in some counties.
Sure, I know it's illegal, hence my advice in the last paragraph up there. You want to be careful, don't get busted, so you ask first if she's a cop, before discussing any business.
If you're that afraid of breaking any laws, i.e., alcohol, pot, prostitution, then my son, you must wait until you're married, because just having sex outside of marriage is against God's Law, and you would be damned to Hell forever and ever.
Forget that, go have some fun. Go dip your wick, and don't be a headcase like CWC or JM.
If she's a cop, but denies it when you ask her, that would be "entrapment", which is also illegal. Don't you watch any cop shows?
Actually I. No it's only entrapment if they pretend not to be cops and get you to do something you normally wouldn't do. So they can't whore themselves out, seducing you and then bust you for it, but if them being a cop is the only thing preventing you, then it isn't entrapment.
Oliver, you went to Arizona for spring training for the Dodgers didn't you? (As a spectator of course). That's further than Nevada and across two states as well if I remember my map of the USA correctly.
Look, I'm not going to argue with you over who's responsible for your mellowing. I saw nothing from Mitchell or Crosby that could possibly have put you in the right direction - but then I never saw any private communication so that's not cast iron proof I'll admit. But in my experience neither of them could possibly have helped you if what I've seen of them is anything to go by - except maybe Crosby convincing you to give college a try (and I did say he was a good example no matter what I think of that person).
Having said that - I think we all agree that you are changing. And from where you were, that's a good thing. You haven't done enough yet to get your name off my HAA list of possibilities, and whether or not you want to earn that removal is not up to me at all - but at least you're doing enough to cause me to look at other candidates for the award. I already skipped you this year as a sort of show of good faith after you withdrew what you said about me that caused the Writ.
Phil, am I still on your HAA list? You are still on my list of awards for person most helpful in making neurodiversity look like fools. Though Clay Adams runs a close second, you are still outdoing everyone.
I back Phil on keeping you on, Jonathan. You've earned the title you've received.
How Existential of you, Oliver.
How Existential of you, Oliver.
Oliver, no one takes Phil seriously and they never will, except for maybe David Andrews and one or two other psychotics.
This includes most of gluyas fellow ND's when you consider he was even banned from the aspies for freedom website and had to leave wrong planet rather than have the disgrace of being banned. Most persons in the neurodiversity movement wish that gluyas would join the other side and be a curebie. He is an embarrassment to their movement.
Oliver, my site has been paid for in the past by my local government. That is a fact. They recognise the importance of my site. I also have the support of a number of Autism organisations in Australia for what I do. One of them supports the ASD awards 100 percent and regard Mitchell as a deluded loser who was let down by the system of the 1960's and won't use the system as it is now. The one difference between that group and me is that they won't blame his mother - but they respect my view on that.
So the awards stay - because they are accurate and correct in the eyes of others.
I just checked a map of the US and I admit to erring - I thought one had to go through New Mexico to get to Arizona. However I was right that Phoenix (which I think is where you went) is further away from LA than Las Vegas. I don't know which counties allow prostitution - all I know is that it isn't all of them. At a guess I would suggest they would be around Las Vegas and likely close to the Californian border.
A correction about Aspies for Submission. I was banned from there because of a lie that Nelson chose to believe perpertrated by the owner of Spectrumites.com.
As far as revoking an award is concerned - for Mitchell and Crosby to lose theirs they have to stop supporting a cure and accept themselves as being on the Autistic Spectrum, and adjust and turn it into a positive. Mitchell won't. He's too filled with irrational hate to have the courage to do it.
And the majority of the community agrees with me on that one.
There's still a lot that you don't know, Oliver.
I checked Wikipedia, and it would appear that some of the Nevada brothels are on that southern border with California. Nye County (according to WP) has five locations as of 2008 and two of them are on Route 95 only about 100 miles out of Las Vegas in Beatty and Amorgosa Valley (Beatty being about the same distance by road as Phoenix and the Valley is closer to Las Vegas). You can't get to them direct from California because it means crossing Death Valley. No thanks!
I doubt many American based organisations are even aware of my ASD Awards. The ones that are would be the ones that I wouldn't want the support of (ie Autism Speaks et al). I'm not worried about that or even your view because I believe them to be an important tool to let people know who the bad people are - and who the good ones are as well. New Awards like this take time to be accepted. I've only done them twice so far.
Opinionated views are the only facts that truly exist, when you boil it all down, Oliver.
They are based on fact, Oliver. The basic criteria for the H side is "a threat to the battle for understanding and tolerance of the Autistic Spectrum". I can prove that each of the 18 recipients fulfill that criteria - through facts and not opinion.
Therefore - it can be taken seriously, and like I said before one organisation here already does.
I obviously don't know what the difference would be in America between a freeway and a road (as you put it) but I guess with a lower speed limit that would make sense. If I remember, Nye County's brothels are on the bottom corner close to the border with Clark County. It's a large county. If you want look it up on Wikipedia.
"but one man saying he is right no matter what will not be taken seriously."
Yeah but Glenn Beck's insane ramblings are totally factual and get a pass.
I am not a liberal, I am a Hobbesian Conservative, as I have said before. My knowledge of Glenn Beck isn't solely from the Liberal Media, Daily Show, Colbert Report and Realtime. I watch Beck regularly and the man is an utter fool, who relies on escalating people's fears and anxieties to get ratings and sell his books.
My frequent viewing of Glenn Beck allows me to find humor in what John Stewart, Stephen Colbert and Bill Maher say because I know that they are right in their Satire of him. I may not have the same viewpoints as liberals being that I am on the other side of the Political Spectrum, but I agree with them on their assessment of Glenn Beck, he is a total jackass, regardless of political ideology.
Again I am not a RINO, I'm not a Republican. Republicanism is not synonymous with Conservatism. I am Conservative whether you or, the Friends That Nobody Likes At Fox approve or not.
As a matter of fact, Republicans in my opinion are CINOs, Conservatives In Name Only. Glenn Beck is a Conservative In Name Only, who just tries to get rich by spreading fear amongst the skeptics. Stop getting all sentimental, Republicanism and Conservatism are not interchangeable terms. And neither of those are interchangeable with America either.
Again, these "facts" are considered by no one but you.
Wrong. The entire community that believe (correctly) that Autism can't be cured hate everyone that have recieved H awards. Ask Kevin Leitch about Best. Ask Clay Adams about Mitchell. Ask everyone who opposes Age of Autism about Crosby. I could go on for ages on that one. And again - there is one organisation here in Victoria who supports the awards.
Trust me Oliver, I'm more Conservative than the paleocons and neoconservatives. I'm an old, old-school conservative, I follow the political philosophy of Thomas Hobbes. Bush, Beck and the Neoconservatives are just a bunch of people who saw the Matrix and believed it to be factual.
It's Bush's idea of the Big Government that ruined the economy and messed up everything. Hobbesian philosophy is what can save America from sensationalism, political bullshit and ineffective leadership.
Again Phil, you're acting as if your opinion is truth, and all those people you mention share your opinion. There are several reliable sources whose opinions differ from yours.
Sorry, but you're wrong. The "reliable sources" you speak of are in fact not reliable because they support the wrong view to begin with. Point me to one person from either side who disagrees with me about Best for example. Point me to someone from OUR side of the fence who agrees with anyone on the H side. Your so called "reliable sources" are quack based masses of claptrap with no reliable scientific or medical basis.
Fact. Not my opinion. Fact. If it wasn't fact, the Vaccine Court would have paid out on all of the Autism Omnibus test cases.
I agree that Wall Street should be regulated because Bush's lack of control of Wall Street is what fucked up the economy. I have my problems with Obama, but what he inherited as Bill Maher said "is like being the maid after a Led Zeppelin Concert."
I think it should be regulated, but I believe that the Federal Government should be the President and he can appoint whomever he wants to help him do a good job. Yes, Sarah Palin would be a good president, the thing that complete broke the deal for McCain.
That bitch needs to stop talking because she is stupid. I probably would've voted for her has committed election fraud by buying a bunch of sexy lingerie for me to see her tits in, as opposed to her committing election fraud by buying a wardrope to overdress.
Explain to me what's wrong with being one step towards Communism? Capitalism and Communism are two words that start with the same letter and fuck us up by the same ammount. Some things need to be regulated, and some things need to be allowed freedom. Fuck ideology, whatever C word helps America thrive once again and protect all of its citizens, is the C word I support.
Yeah those invisible hands are so good to us aren't they? You know other than the fact that they created the collapse of the economy twice in 80 years, in 1929 and 2009 they don't ever go wrong. Both Hoover and Bush only knew one phrase in French: Laissez faire, well Bush knows two if you count his use of the middle finger.
Oliver, the issue of Hannah Poling was conceded before it even went to the Vaccine Court. Besides, she was on the Spectrum before the vaccine that caused the problem so that's irrelevant. There was a regression in each case. In the case of Hannah, the regression was caused by the poor application of the vaccine by the doctor concerned. The government protected the doctor by conceding (which IMO they shouldn't have done - the doctor should have copped it for fouling up). The test cases that made it to the Vaccine Court were lost because it was the PARENT'S fault that the regression occurred. Case in point - the Cedillo matter. What the heck was Therese thinking by not taking her baby daughter to hospital with a temp of 104F?? Perfect regression conditions. And there was evidence there as well that Michelle was on the Spectrum before the vaccine was administered.
Read the decisions if you don't believe me. It's fact.
It's also fact that the freedom you believe in is what allowed people like Madolff to do what they did and nearly crush your economy. Whether you like it or not, the ONLY way to prevent that is to regulate Wall Street. Not 100 percent, just enough to make sure that everybody there is doing the right thing by the PEOPLE. Not the government - the PEOPLE. By the way, that's called socialism and not communism. Communism is a dictatorship - socialism is not. There's no reason why socialism and capitalism can't co-exist. We do it in Australia and it's why we avoided the global recession.
Oliver, McCarthy could use some fellatio, you sound fit for the job, and very much up for going down on him.
I'm a non-commie meaning I'm noncommital. I have a thing that narrowminded neocons like yourself aren't wise enough to have: Pragmatism. I realize that there isn't one ism that is always useful and always best. There are some things that have to be restricted for the rights of other citizens, and there are some things that corporations should be allowed to do without the average citizen bitching.
You on the other hand with your absolutes are the ones fucking up American and preventing people's rights being secured. You Republicans trick people into voting against their own interests with your scare tactics.
Oh and by the way if you think that Mercury causes Autism and we need to stop Big Pharma from putting it in vaccines and then lying about it, then under your rules you a pinko, commie dog, Comrade Ollie.
Yeah, well you're a Commie under your rules. If you want to play your games you have to follow your own rules too, Nikita.
Well if you're not a Commie under your own rules, then by your own words being in opposition to Big Pharma is liberal, so you are dabbling in Liberalism which makes you (dare I utter it)A RINO!!! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
You're a RINO and a pinko, under you're own rules, stop denying your hypocrisy.
In the case of Hannah Poling, the vaccine court conceded that vaccines cause autism.
No, they conceded that vaccines damaged Hannah. There was no admission re Autism.
Socialism is bad too, because it taxes the wealthy.
The wealthy should be taxed. Everyone should pay their fair share.
The Republican party believes that the government shouldn't interfere with economics except in dire situations.
Which is what the US is faced with right now as a result of Bush's deregulation. Socialism is the ONLY way to resolve the issues of job losses and Wall Street "junkies" (I mean money hungry not druggies) spending bail outs on junkets to retreats wherever it may be. Not to mention the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and the piss weak response to Hurricane Katrina (which STILL hasn't been completed even today!).
You wouldn't get that sort of BS in Australia - because we have a socialist base in our society and always have done.
Oliver, that's the definition of communism - not socialism. Socialism leaves room for capitalism. Communism does not.
That's why Australia avoided the effects of the GFC - our socialist base.
Note - the health reforms Obama wants is very much socialism at work. And Americans wanting those who wasted the bail outs are certainly seeked a socialist solution.
Fuck Capitalism! America can survive without this Capitalism-is-a-necessity mentality, and would be much better off without it. To Hell with Capitalism, America needs to thrive moreso than the rich fucks who are parasites to her glory
I am a Conservative, nowhere in Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes does it say anything about Capitalism. True Conservatism is that the government has full control in order to fulfill its duty dictated by the Social Contract to protect the rights and liberties of its citizens, and should have a small *amount of people* working for the government.
Capitalism and Socialism have no direct impact on Conservatism. Whatever works at the time for preserving the rights and liberties of the People is what the government must do. Right now Socialism and regulating corporations are the only ways that which we can protect the rights and liberties from the unchecked aggression of the selfish wealthy. Right now conservatism and socialism are two things that are necessary in tandem.
Fuck Capitalism those rich fucks must no longer capitalize amongst the stupidity of our nation.
Socialsm may allow for personal freedom but the economy is regulated by the government.
As it should be, so the ability for greed is held in check and everyone gets a fair go.
Capitalism has many different degrees, but if it's socialism then it's not capitalism.
I never said it was. But the two can work together, provided both respect the other. Obviously extreme capitalism can't work with extreme socialism. It's extreme capitalism that is hurting America right now.
If those big companies failed, the country's economy would have crashed completely. If Bush did one thing right - that was it (HE was the one who did the initial bail out in 2008 in case you've forgotten). Especially as a lot of them were banks (an essential cog of the capitalist system).
The trouble was, that bail out wasn't regulated - and that allowed the spending that even you knew was wrong. And yet you oppose the very regulation that would have stopped it. Still want to oppose socialism as a part of the capitalist economy? We've had regulation like that here since Federation (1901 - and that's independence to you in a manner of speaking) and it WORKS.
Ah but Obama put caveats on that bail out. The Senate was actually a help in that regard. The auto industry was grilled within an inch of it's life remember? I remember one of the senators blatantly telling one of the CEO's to sell his private jet (and I think it was more than one that got that chorus). That's socialism at work, Oliver. I agree with you about the Bush bail out, and that's the whole point. In an unregulated system, CEO's were bound to do that. That's how extreme capitalists work, and they are wrecking America's economy due to the LACK of regulation.
I read somewhere that the Obama administration admires what we've done here in Australia. But we were in a much better position to respond because we already had the regulatory base in place.
Oh sure. Look what economic freedom includes - the right for CEO's to spend up bail outs!
Are you against that or not? Seriously.
Corporations aren't people Oliver. I saw a hole in my AT&T phone contract and I penetrated that hole to save money. AT&T didn't sue me for rape, which means even while evil corporations try to get the same rights as people, even they don't think like actual people. I should be an exec because I'm capable of outside the box thinking and would've come up with the idea to sue for rape, when they didn't.
They also don't have freedoms and should be restricted on what they can do with their money.
I believe in economic freedom for the people. I also think the government shouldn't hand CEOs free money.
You just gave two contradictory remarks. Which one do you believe in? You can't believe in both.
They should be allowed to keep their hard-earned cash, but once they start failing they should be allowed to fail and not be bailed out.
And the result is massive job losses and the government has to support the workers who are unable to get work elsewhere.
And again I point out - the bail outs were made for BANKS. Banks collapse - the economy collapses. The car manufacturers were and are world wide employers of at least a million people. Would you willingly put that many people out of work in one hit? That's what would happen.
Glad you're okay with have over ten million people being unemployed. And that you're cool with entire States including the State of Michigan being fucked royally. But unlike you, I actually am not a jackass.
I think YOU should stop being on the dole, get YOUR self-esteem, go to College, stop being a whiny little cock-sucker, and get a full-time job, you sad little motherfucker.
You are on the dole, of living off your goddamn parents, without any intent of changing that situation. Your parents are your welfare agency, you douchebag.
Those do not contradict each other, Phil. I'm saying that the government shouldn't take money from people, but also shouldn't just hand it out.
Government needs money to function. That's why there are taxes. People need to be paid so the government needs a revenue stream. It doesn't cost nothing to make laws and investigate things like the BP Oil Spill and the CEO's who misused the bail out money.
And hand outs are needed as well. It's called balance. Andrew mentioned the dole for example. Cube Demon's got SSI. If you had your way, Oliver, he wouldn't have SSI. Neither would many LFA adults who have never worked obviously. They need support. Then there's Medicare for the seniors and Medicaid for the impoverished.
Need I go on?
Please just admit that you don't know what you're talking about when it comes to economics. You did contradict yourself and that's a fact that I have proven.
That's a different problem entirely, Oliver. That's a symptom of the CEO's being overpaid to begin with. The difference between the rich and the poor is a joke, and it also deprives the poor of gainful employment.
Maybe working at a fast food restaurant is okay for a dickweed like you, but it isn't satisfactory for everybody, you fucking twat. Stop acting like you know shit you sorry little shmuck.
No, you're just a sorry little cocksucker who doesn't know what he's talking about, like all other Republicans, the anti-intellectual party.
Ha rich!!! I live in Oak Park, with a single mother, who was unemployed for two years who now has a job as a teacher. My mom is 60gs in debt from grad school. But somehow I'm a snooty, snobby rich fuck. Good one, you dumb know-it-all douchefag. You don't know shit about anything Canby, you fairy fuck.
The fact that you don't mind half of a State's (and many other people from other state's)labor force cramming up these fast-food jobs shows the fact that you are a fucking moron with no life, spending your time on your little gay-ass sit and spin, who hasn't the least bit of knowledge of what he's talking about.
Tell me jackass, are there enough fast-food restaurants to even make a DENT in the amount of unemployed people your grand idea will unemploy?
Fucking jackass.
Jackass, there wouldn't be enough jobs in the fast-food industry for all the unemployed, you fucking idiot.
Fuck people and their hard-earned money, Patriotism is a big part of this country's values. And anybody who is filthy rich yet unwilling to cough up some dough for his countrymen, his fellow citizens who are unable to get jobs due to the lack of them, is an unpatriotic rich fuck, and should get the hell out of America.
You don't have a problem with denying people welfare, because you're just a fucking momma's boy who lives completely off his parent's. Maybe if your parents kicked you out it wouldn't be such a simple concept for you to be such an apathetic prick.
I live off my mom too, there's nothing wrong with anybody whom is our age doing that, but unlike you, I'm not an uncaring jackass acting like a douchey know-it-all, and I realize that I have no frame of reference to say that unemployed people don't deserve welfare and don't deserve the government intervening to save their jobs.
You are just a whiny little Jesus-fellating, douche, who needs to just Can it, Canby.
By the way, your Jesus talked all the time about "Social Justice" so get your lips off of Glenn Beck's cock.
You're a fucking douchebag and you would be lost if having to fend for yourself. You're not coping with life while being babied at your parent's house, are you really that stupid to think you'd magically be able to deal with life when you have to put up with more of it.
You can't live on your own, (ESPECIALLY IN LOS ANGELES, JACKASS) while working fast-food. You wouldn't make nearly enough dipshit.
Stop acting like you know what you talk about, grow up, take accountability and admit that you're talking out of your ass. You cocky little douche
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